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Identification of Bad Batches UM790

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Joe90

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Hello,
Copying the idea from user CHP a bit and asking people to post main criterias trying to identify a pattern of bad batches of minisforun Um790.

So I'll start, thinking these points might be important to list by everyone who replies. I believe manufacturing date is also essential (you can read in bios) but almost everyone just said when they received it which is no the same Obviously.

  • Issues: No
  • Bought as: Barebone
  • Logo color: Black Logo
  • BIOS: 1.04
  • EC Version: 2.06
  • Mfg Date (as of BIOS): 7/7/23
  • Serial no or Modell: not checked yet
  • RAM: Crucial 2x16 CT2K16G56C46S5 @5600MHz
  • Windows: 11 Pro
  • Minisforum Drivers used?: No
  • SSD: 1 x 4TB WD Sn850x
  • Monitor: LG 32un880 @60Hz
  • Monitor connected via: USB power through front USB 4 port
  • Front USB delivering >10GBit/s? NO
  • Chipset Driver:
  • AMD GFX Driver 5.08.02.027
  • AMD RADEON 780UM Driver: 31.0.21031.1005
  • Ryzen 7940HS Driver: 10.0.22621.2215
  • What helped to resolve your issue or make it stable?: N/A here
 
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CHP

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Hey Joe90, nice thread.
I can't restart my units since they are working but....
...that's my setups for 3 units :
  • Issues: No
  • Bates of delivery :
    • 28/ago/23 (1 unit)
    • 09/sep/23 (2 units)
  • Bought as: 1 full (32/512), 1 full (32/2x1To) and 1 Barebone (32/1To)
  • Logo color: White Logos
  • BIOS: 1.03 upgraded to 1.04 and finally 1.07 (for the 3 units)
  • EC Version: 2.06
  • Mfg Date (as of BIOS): 09/01/2023 (It's not the unit mfg date but the BIOS mfg date)
  • BIOS date : 01/sep/2023
  • Serial no or Model: not checked yet
  • RAM:
    • For the 2 full units : Kingston (2 x 16) CBD56S46BS8HA-16 (@5600)
    • For the barebone : Crucial (2 x 16) CT2K16G56C46S5 (@5600)
  • Windows: 10 Pro
  • Minisforum Drivers used?: Yes
  • SSD:
    • 2 x Crucial CT1000P3PSSD8
    • Crucial CT500P3PSSD8
    • KINGSTON OM8PGP41024Q-A0
  • Monitors (HDMI):
    • Samsung 55" TV 4K@60Hz + LCD (Noname) 12" 1080@60Hz
    • 2 x LG 1080@60 Hz
    • 1 HP 1080@60Hz
  • Front USB delivering >10GBit/s? NO (USB 3.1 max). I can't test for USB 4 speeds
  • OS : Windows 10 Pro
  • Drivers :
    • Chipset Driver: F7BSC_Drivers_x64_20230626 (Minis Forum OEM)
    • AMD GFX Driver : F7BSC_Drivers_x64_20230626 (Minis Forum OEM)
    • AMD RADEON 780UM Driver: 31.0.14003.38003 (Minis Forum OEM)
    • Ryzen 7940HS Driver: F7BSC_Drivers_x64_20230626 (Minis Forum OEM)
  • Power :
    • 7,12W min / 66,2W max (had up to 70W with BIOS 1.04)
    • 37C min / 80 C max
    • 5.17GHz max -
    • CPU-Z bench : 7199 multi-core
  • Network : Ethernet for 1 unit & WiFi for 2 units (using Netgear repeater)
  • Never had problems : 0 problems.
  • Used for : (24/7) Media Center (Jellyfin), Video editing (DaVinci Resolve), SQL Databases, Gaming, Youtube postings.
 
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Ben

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- Issues: No
- Bought as: 512/32Gb
- Logo color: white
- BIOS: 1.03
- EC Version: 2.06
- Mfg Date (as of BIOS): 29/6/23
- Serial no or Modell: H07DM79.....
- RAM: Kingston 2x16 CBD56S46BS8HA (5600 Mhz)
- Windows: 11 Pro
- Minisforum Drivers used?: No
- SSD: 1 x 2TB Kingston Fury renegade
- SSD: 1 x 1TB Samsung 970 Evo
- Monitor: Samsung 4K LU28E55
- Monitor HDMI
- Front USB delivering: Unknown
- Chipset Driver:
AMD GFX Driver 5.08.02.027
AMD RADEON 780UM Driver: 31.0.21031.1005
Ryzen 7940HS Driver: 10.0.22621.2215
- What helped to resolve your issue or make it stable?: N/A here
 
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BigJeff

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  • Issues: Yes
  • Bought as: 64GB/1TB, upgraded to 64GB/2TB/4TB
  • Logo color: White Logo
  • BIOS: 1.04 delivered, now 1.07
  • EC Version: 2.06
  • Mfg Date (as of BIOS): 01/sep/2023
  • Serial no or Model: MD305
  • RAM: Kingston 2x32 CBD56S46BD8HA-32
  • Windows: 11 Pro
  • Minisforum Drivers used?: Yes, then fully updated online.
  • SSD: 1 x 2TB WD Sn850x (Boot), 1 x 4TB WD Sn850x (Data)
  • Monitor: LG 27UL850 4K @60Hz
  • Monitor connected via: HDMI
  • Front USB delivering >10GBit/s? Yes USB4/Thunderbolt 4 enclosure (both usb ports)= 3128 MB/s (24.87Gbps)
  • Chipset Driver:
  • AMD GFX Driver 5.08.02.027
  • AMD RADEON 780UM Driver: 31.0.21031.1005
  • Ryzen 7940HS Driver: 10.0.22621.1
  • What helped to resolve your issue or make it stable?: Only one black screen restart with BIOS 1.07in a month while playing Doom Eternal, possibly a vram issue.
 
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Joe90

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BigJeff said:
  • Issues: Yes
  • Bought as: 64GB/1TB, upgraded to 64GB/2TB/4TB
  • Logo color: White Logo
  • BIOS: 1.04 delivered, now 1.07
  • EC Version: 2.06
  • Mfg Date (as of BIOS): 01/sep/2023
  • Serial no or Model: MD305
  • RAM: Kingston 2x32 CBD56S46BD8HA-32
  • Windows: 11 Pro
  • Minisforum Drivers used?: Yes, then fully updated online.
  • SSD: 1 x 2TB WD Sn850x (Boot), 1 x 4TB WD Sn850x (Data)
  • Monitor: LG 27UL850 4K @60Hz
  • Monitor connected via: HDMI
  • Front USB delivering >10GBit/s? Yes USB4/Thunderbolt 4 enclosure (both usb ports)= 3128 MB/s (24.87Gbps)
  • Chipset Driver:
  • AMD GFX Driver 5.08.02.027
  • AMD RADEON 780UM Driver: 31.0.21031.1005
  • Ryzen 7940HS Driver: 10.0.22621.1
  • What helped to resolve your issue or make it stable?: Only one black screen restart with BIOS 1.07in a month while playing Doom Eternal, possibly a vram issue.
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Interesting: "Front USB delivering >10GBit/s? Yes USB4/Thunderbolt 4 enclosure (both usb ports)= 3128 MB/s (24.87Gbps) "

Can you let us know your setup in detail? (cable, housing) For me it´s not working even though on my old machine I had a 20GBIT/s setup (cable, Housing LC 2x2, nvme) with a seperate card.

EDIT: even not working with new Lenovo Laptop with USB4 port while on my old machine with extension card it worked with same setup

My Cable: Cabletex
USB 4 Gen3x2 USB-C Cable | Thunderbolt 3 | PD 240 Watt | Monitorcable| 5A | 48V | 40 GBit/s DataTransfer | bidirectional

Does anyone know if maybe a driver must be updated - if so which one?
Or maybe a BIOS Setting topic?
 
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BigJeff

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The full details are here; Issue with frontal usb4 frontal connectors

and includes;

Update: With crystaldiskmark read speeds are;

Sata enclosure = 450 MB/s
USB 3.2 enclosure = 990 MB/s
Thunderbolt 3 enclosure = 1660 MB/s
USB4/Thunderbolt 4 enclosure (both usb ports)= 3128 MB/s

Sata is an Amazon nobrand with 2.5" Samsung drive, connecting to usb A
USB 3.2 (EC-SNVE) and Thunderbolt 3 (EC-T3NS) are both Sabrent with pcie gen3 nvme drive connecting to usb-c
USB 4 / Thunderbolt 4 is ACASIS (TBU401) with pcie gen4 nvme drive connecting to usb-c

I replaced the internal drive with two Western Digital pcie gen4 drives and get 6968 MB/s with both slots.

No extra drivers or bios settings were changed.
 
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Joe90

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Thanks BigJeff - but still I don´t know why my cube (which works else super great) is that slow or the combination causes an issue. Not a big thing since I only need it when saving to extern NVME from time to time.

May I ask you to check the device manager for USB4 ?
Open Device Manager, Select "VIEW" by connection. Look for USB4 and what are your drivers.

When I go to event section I see the system says "something not migrated..blabla..." do you have that , too ?
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Mine says it´s working
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UM790UserMurcia

Member
Joe90 said:
Thanks BigJeff - but still I don´t know why my cube (which works else super great) is that slow or the combination causes an issue. Not a big thing since I only need it when saving to extern NVME from time to time.

May I ask you to check the device manager for USB4 ?
Open Device Manager, Select "VIEW" by connection. Look for USB4 and what are your drivers.

When I go to event section I see the system says "something not migrated..blabla..." do you have that , too ?
Mine says it´s working
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mine says this, also working
 

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BigJeff

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Here are the screen shots, my events do not contain any entries.

Also just noticed in the drive policies I have it set for quick removal.




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Joe90

Member
Thanks guys. Appreciated.
But still no idea... I think I will check the event log and maybe uninstall driver again and reinstall. But next weekend
 
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Joe90

Member
To fix the 40gbit usb4 performance Minisforum shared a zip file which looks like a firmware update... Not sure if I should try and maybe make it even worse..
And why 32bit written there?

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BigJeff

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For me no, but I am Ok with my speeds.

If you really want faster speeds then I think you should do what Minisforum suggest and report what happens.
 
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Joe90

Member
jxxaxxy said:
I ran it and it seemed to update. The problem is I don't really have anything to test with. Gotta love being beta testers!!!!
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okay... :) well then hopefully anyone else can test. I have some hesitation it'll change my well running system... Actually I'm also not sure what this software updates or firmwares..? Any clue?
 
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jxxaxxy

Member
well its realtek. So I would assume there is a realtek usb chip on the board that gets the firmware updated. That is what I find when typing in realtek type-c
 
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jxxaxxy

Member
I found a usb-c hard drive enclosure. But I was only getting like 40 mb/s. Not really sure if its the USB speed from minisforum or the old usb-c enclosure I have. If I had to guess most likely my old crap I have. I also hooked up a usb-c to hdmi and that seemed to work fine. I have a sabrent enclosure that I ordered as I think there is something wrong with my current one. So we will see.
 
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Joe90

Member

Random crashes/reboots UM 790pro

It's the RAM! I used kingston fury 5600MT with CL40 - i downgraded to crucial 5600 mit cl46, much better - only one crash. then i used some 4800 kingston value ram, no crash all the day ... now i'm back on crucial 5600 cl 46 ... still stable for the moment. i also upgraded my hdmi cable to hdmi...
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